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Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.7K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Show Less . Full Forum ...Tom-Sax. 12 posts · Joined 2004. #3 · Jun 30, 2004. I was shopping around today and played on a "made by Selmer" Prelude TS700 tenor that was really decent. It was, frankly, the only beginner horn I tried in that particular shop that didn't need some minor adjusting and leak fixes. It was very much "ready to go."This is part II of the tone production exercises I learned from Joe Allard and Victor Morosco. I’ve also added the idea of purchasing a very large tip opening mouthpiece to warm up on to teach you to use your diaphragm. However, you can do more harm than good if you use a hard reed on a very open mouthpiece and it may cause you to become …656 posts · Joined 2008. #4 · Jan 30, 2017. Either your knowledge level of saxophones or your skill level playing saxophones, or both levels, are just not high enough for you to see the shortcomings of a Mendini saxophone. As a parallel, a World Cup ski racer would simply not consider risking his life on an icy race course at 150km/hr with a ...Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.7K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. 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Another added benefit I'm discovering is that, (as shown by the popularity of this forum), there are a LOT of talented sax players out there.I have had 2 Beechler bellite 8's and a jumbo java A95 but now play jumbo java A75 alto mp and for me the jumbo's are way better in free blowing,sound,tone and range.I felt theres only 1 sound you get with the bellites but the jumbo's are more flexible but each to his own.Had many pieces,metal and hr but for alto the jumbo java is by far the ...pseudonuts Discussion starter. 2 posts · Joined 2023. #1 · Oct 13, 2023. I have been visiting SOTW regularly in the past year and noticed that there are lots of experts on this forum. So as a kind of teaser I have uploaded a couple of photo's of a mystery baritone sax for you to guess its maker and year of production.Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.7K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...S. SelmerReference54 Discussion starter. 10 posts · Joined 2017. #1 · Apr 4, 2017. Hi All, I am new in the Saxophone world. I have just learned how to play Sax for about 8 months, and I have a lot of fun. I just wonder if it is common in the Sax community to have a Sax Group. Other than Sax, I play piano and I belong to several Piano Groups.Boston repairs. I know this comes up regularly, but I didn't find a relevant list which was reasonably current and applicable to my area. I'm looking for techs somewhere near the western Boston 'burbs. I have several saxes which are basically functional but could use a bit of professional attention. A Yamaya 23 alto with a leaky low C, a 23 ...Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more!Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.7K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...Attachments. I have posted a For Sale Hamilton Alto Saxophone (Vintage) in SOTW Forum Marketplace Horns For Sale or Wanted. It. is listed on Ebay. If interested check out the SOTW thread & Ebay listing. Yes, it's a Conn. This horn is either identical to a late Pan American or early 14M (circa 1956-1961).Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...194 posts · Joined 2003. #1 ·Jan 15, 2009. Yesterday i playtested a series II Tenor serial no 707xxx. I was very much surprised about how good this horn played. It played better then a series III and a ref 54. The sound had a very good projection and was on the bright side but not too bright.People joining this forum every day just to confirm that the counterfeit Chinese sax they found advertised for $299.00, truly is a counterfeit Chinese sax. ... Sax on the Web Forum. ... Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections ...90 posts · Joined 2011. #6 · Apr 9, 2012. I came across a Parrot Alto way back in 1976 inTeheran .Brand new and un-playable.This is one of the early Chinese saxes from which the modern Chinese saxes evolved.The Lark which was a copy of the Mk6 was the best Chinese sax at that time.Though there are many good quality Chinese saxes now I have ...Jul 16, 2021 · 1) I have no intention of changing browsers. I like Chrome, and dislike Safari and Firefox. Purely aesthetic reasons. 2) I might use an ad blocker, but I don’t particularly dislike ads per se, and I’m mindful that this site derives most its income from ad impressions. A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more!As I understand it, "alto" is just a shortened form of the word "contralto" (from the Italian word contralto, from the combination of "contra" and "alto," i.e., "against or counter to the high voice." So a contralto, whether a singer or a saxophone, is the same as what is commonly called an "alto" in English. (The kinds of saxophones are named ...12004 posts · Joined 2003. #2 · Jan 16, 2006. It depends what you mean - "Who are the saxophonists" is a little vague. If you want to talk about famous saxophonists like Brecker, Mulligan, Kenny G and such; The place to discuss about them is in Brand Name Players. If however you want to learn who are the saxophonists of Sax On The Web forum ...Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...94 posts · Joined 2003. #1 · Oct 5, 2003. I own a Century soprano sax that I got used for 700 bucks, and i'm just wonering, since i'm usually not a sop player, what should I look out for in this thing? thanks in advance, Biff. as I wander on and on. off into the rising sun. devil's caught onto my track.Sax on the Web > More of the SML Story. and this inn July 1999: "A musical-instrument dealer had found two SML saxes - a tenor and an alto - in brand new condition. He said they were still in their wrapping paper. He hadn't heard of SML before, so he went on the Internet and found my article about the company. SaxontheWeb.net was started by a group of enthusiasts that shared a common passion for Saxophone Forums. Over the years, the site has grown, and today has over 75,700 members. More importantly though, the users of the site have created over 3,200,000 posts of content all related to Saxophone Forums. Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...3562 posts · Joined 2006. #30 · Jul 25, 2010. Just as an additional thought based upon what I just said above, They are called "resonators" for a reason. By changing the pad leather into a more air proof surface - the note speaks quicker, with a fuller sound, and therefore is more resonate.4K views 7 replies 5 participants last post by Taragot Dec 14, 2015. H. hassmusic Discussion starter. 18 posts · Joined 2015. #1 · Dec 6, 2015. I wrote a piece for saxophone quartet called Polar Vortex that I think you'll all enjoy! Let me know what you think! Like. Sort by Oldest first.February 21, 2021 ·. When an oboe doubler messes with his sax reeds. 1.Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.7K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.7K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...February 21, 2021 ·. When an oboe doubler messes with his sax reeds. 1.But when I play on saxophone, playing the chord becomes infinitely more difficult for me because I loose that visual aspect of the piano keys I had been trained on. ... Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the ...Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.6K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...Attachments. I have posted a For Sale Hamilton Alto Saxophone (Vintage) in SOTW Forum Marketplace Horns For Sale or Wanted. It. is listed on Ebay. If interested check out the SOTW thread & Ebay listing. Yes, it's a Conn. This horn is either identical to a late Pan American or early 14M (circa 1956-1961).dixon tenor sax. I recently acquired a dixon tenor sax.I am a tech and am familiar with this sax.Their is currently a king listed on ebay item 130095114743 that is identical to this sax except it's silver nickel and mine is lacquer .The case looks identical to a B&S case from the gdr days.The resos in the horn are red like a yani.It is not made ...Chess puzzles are a fantastic way to sharpen your skills and challenge your strategic thinking. Whether you’re a beginner looking to improve or an experienced player seeking new ch...Jan 15, 2012 · 178 posts · Joined 2010. #8 · Jan 17, 2012. I visited the Trevor James premises in Lenham, UK, June 2010, and have been in the tech room where the saxes (and pro flutes) are put together (parts are produced in Taiwan at Trevor James' own factory). Unfortunately Dave Farley, and his assistant, who builds the saxes (and have designed them) was ... Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories ...Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...Palm key risers (i.e. additions to elevate the place where the finger contacts the key. 2. Palm key venting (i.e. how far the key opens & ythe possibility of use of tone hole crescents, but possibly just embouchure issues rather than venting.) On the vast majority of saxes they are not related and are certainly not related if the riser is only ...Jul 21, 2023 · 6763 posts · Joined 2014. #3 · Jul 21, 2023. I do not think you are an idiot, especially since you evidently appreciate black lacquer. But I'm puzzled by the enthusiasm for copies of old mouthpieces. There is a seemingly endless variety of new, high-quality, expertly manufactured mouthpieces from which to choose. Boston Sax Shop, 10mfan and 10mfan Artist. ... Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...New Francois Louis “Presentations”. I know these are not much in favor these days, but I’m a huge fan so…. Francois Louis’ website was recently updated to include a new style of mouthpiece for both alto and tenor. The Traditional Chamber. These sit alongside his medium and sphere types. The website describes them thus:Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Show Less . Join ...Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories ...Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...Apr 14, 2023 · 13498 posts · Joined 2007. #1 · Apr 14, 2023 (Edited) YDS-120 Digital / Electronic Saxophone Features - Yamaha USA. Lower cost than the 150, loses the fake brass bell, also has recorder type mouthpiece (as opposed to the sax-like reed & mouthpiece for the 150). I know nothing more about this. If it's got the same sounds as the 150, it's a no ... 1234 posts · Joined 2015. #15 · Feb 1, 2024. There is a balance to life, and a balance to motivation. In the adult learning world, many do not wish to learn anything technical, like reading music and articulation, and instead just want to play by ear and have fun. There is a balance to the technical sax and the playing sax; and one cannot ...Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...saintsday. 5142 posts · Joined 2005. #9 · Jan 16, 2009. I currently have 4 of them among about 70 horns. The alto that gets the most play is a 1927 True Tone. I like the key placement and very positive feel better than most modern horns with the exception of a post too close to the octave key.The premier forum for all things sax at http://forum.saxontheweb.net/ Joining Sax on the Web FB group: ----- We...Alto sax recommendations. Hi everyone! I’m looking into getting a used alto sax for my 10th grader (the music teacher said the used one we bought 5 years ago isn’t worth repairing). We have a bead on a used Yamaha 23 and a used Selmer 300. Based on a sax discussion I saw on a trumpet forum, it sounds like the Yamaha 23 is the way …Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...Buffet-Crampon S1 tenor sax Yanagisawa S990 soprano sax Yamaha YAS32 alto sax. Save Share. Like. ... Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles ...Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...This is the part of the key that is used for mounting it on the instrument. Photo 1: Hinges and screws: There are two types of hinges and (generally) two types of screws. This is where most of the confusion comes from many different terms. Some people confuse by not keeping a consistent term for the same type of part.Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.7K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...pseudonuts Discussion starter. 2 posts · Joined 2023. #1 · Oct 13, 2023. I have been visiting SOTW regularly in the past year and noticed that there are lots of experts on this forum. So as a kind of teaser I have uploaded a couple of photo's of a mystery baritone sax for you to guess its maker and year of production.5,361 Posts. #77 · Sep 27, 2020. mmichel said: Regarding the YDS-150 at issue, note that it actually has two buttons near the LH thumbrest, including one whose stated purpose is to play low A. Presumably, when not playing "bari sax" voices, this could be used as an octave shifting button.Sax on the Web Forum Gifts for Band Teachers - Hi, As the school year is coming to an end, I want to give my band teacher a memorable, unique gift. He is a trumpet player.Apr 21, 2024 ⋅ Contents. The best Saxophone forums, communities, discussion and message boards curated from thousands of forums on the web and ranked by …Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...Nov 2, 2021 · (Saxophone) Makes and Models. Other K-Z. ... The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario ... Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.4K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...Sax on the Web Forum. 3.3M posts 75.8K members Since 2003 A forum community dedicated to saxophone players and enthusiasts originally founded by Harri Rautiainen. Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! ...The Sax on the Web forum is the largest forum devoted to saxophone and other instruments. 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Come join the discussion about collections, care, displays, models, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Show Less . Full Forum ...I'm in my 60's and wanting to pick up Sax again, I played back in grade school many, many years ago. I'm looking to purchase a sax in the $500-700 range to start with. Thanks for letting me be a part of this forum.More importantly though, the users of the site have created over 3,200,000 posts of content all related to Saxophone Forums. Who owns SaxontheWeb.net? SaxontheWeb.net is now owned by VerticalScope, the leader in online forums. With over 800 forum communities, VerticalScope provides the technology that powers the community.

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